Angels

[huginn]

There isn’t a thread about this song is it? That’s surprising it cant be that bad. I like the lyrics although I’m not sure what the hell it’s about, but it’s a political song of course subtle but I like that. I learned years ago that her lyrics have a lot of things going on at the same time, that’s why she never gets boring. And she always has issues whether It’s the breaking of silence the fight against Christian hypocrisy the reclaiming of womanhood from the patriarchy or the fight against misogynists (she’s a Warrior). Now she’s becoming kind of political and although I’m not a liberal like her but a far left one I still think she as always have wise things to say like in this interview: www.thedent.com/oor02.html. I love the Dutch interviews she’s so outspoken like in this about the round table thinker: www.thedent.com/oor0999.html or this: www.thedent.com/samsonic0901.html about the Moon Barbie dolls and Satan wannabes (as far as I’m concerned Barbie dolls and Satan wannabes are the same thing) Anyway… back to the thread I’m not sure musically it’s pretty mainstream (but her voice is so beautiful) and I can’t really hear that it’s she playing the Böse could be anyone, in the old days you could hear that it was her after ten sec, now It’s all other stuff going on and the Böse gets in the background that makes her more like anybody else.

Well… although I’m gonna be offline for two weeks (off for working class work) I’m still quite interested to read your ideas about this song lyrically as well as musically.

(sorry if there already is a thread)

see yaa later alligator

[huginn]

Below a piece from an interview in a Swedish magazine, partly my translation partly from this:
thedent.com/more.php?id=P1173_0_1_0_C I’ve just send in the Swedish by far more extended version to thedent.

The two new songs on the album Angels and Snow Cherries From France can you crack the lyrics for Angels to me?

-(giggle) I’ll try the line about the man that better watch his back could be about anyone in America who think they won’t be involved (by the current political administration). I guess you could say that the Angels represent the missing votes during the last presidential election. People still found it difficult to understand that they were unable to undo the result. It's getting better by the day, but it's been a tough two years. I think about the war in Iraq, too, and the depressing fact that we're still in it, people warned us for this situation, but if you try and speak out in America, people say you're not supporting the country, but it's the administration you're not supporting. It's funny, because Christians talk about people being possessed, but they're attempting to possess the voice of the land. So 'Angels' is partly about the 'lost' votes, and partly about a mass of people who could not see that they had the strength to stand up to everything that followed. And what is an Angel? according to my opinion it’s someone who are able to stand above something.

Have you heard Rickie Lee Jones new record? It’s a song on it called Ugly Man supposedly about Bush.

-I’d probably been able to figure that out from the title (giggle). No I haven’t heard it but it sounds like a good one.

[Ame]

I've looked at in non politician way when I've first heard it. the line:
you always were the one
that kept us all guessing
how you could survive
the fall you had
I first thought that it's about Tori and her life. Through so many damage she have expierienced she's still so strong. People like that are standing above the mases that trying to make them fall and be like everyone: grey.

you said just to trust
then you chose
to sign the dotted line

well I always fell that it's like the role of church in Poland. When "solidarnosc" fought church was very supporting for many people. For many artist the church was the place where they could performe and say what they think without hesitation that they go to jail for it. And after freedom church was still important and then with time passing it had take control and became a power that rules. Now it's a little bit quiet(I was little when all of this happened. My parents have censored letters from that time. I still feel how church is important and many people do as they are told to do.)

and the last verse it's like feeling that great changes will come.


I'm wating for your thoughts;)

[huginn]

Well Solidarity (correct me if I’m wrong) fought against a Soviet ruled marionette regime. And as long as that went everything was OK. However when freedom from the USSR was won they become a part of the Catholic Church establishment and became an establishment up-holding movement rather than a rebellious one and frankly I detest that. As for The song well I’m trying to not let my political view take over, but facts remain it’s an anti-Bush song. And frankly I think he’s a piece of shit.

Jesus is this dial up connection for real? I'ts a joke

[*Herry*]

This song, and many others have helped me decide to study Politics this year.
Just thought I'd mention that!

[huginn]

Ame said:

well I always fell that it's like the role of church in Poland. When "solidarnosc" fought church was very supporting for many people. For many artist the church was the place where they could performe and say what they think without hesitation that they go to jail for it.

I’m Sorry Ame, for my slightly shitty attitude, certainly not against you or Solidarity’s struggle (working class heroes), definitively against the Catholic Church. You had a good point but it doesn’t surprise me that the church gave room when the commies where the enemy (anarchist my self I think…), on the other hand the pope banned priest’s in Latin America opposing fascism during the same time.

Walesa great revolutionary, lousy politician should have returned rolling cables on the shipyard when the battle was won. Hope that Gdansk yard is still there, in Sweden all the once so great shipyards have been closed down. I think it was Walesa and his pals who build the world’s largest sailing ship a beautiful full rigged one for the Russians, I’ve seen it on sea for full sails once a beauty, don’t remember the name perhaps Sedov, hope the Russians can afford to maintain it, they should have I mean all the fucking shit oil they ship through the Baltic can’t end up in that UK premier league team Chelsea.

By the way ever heard of a polish gal named Krystyna Chojnowska-Liskiewicz? Well I guess that was before your time but she was the first woman ever to solitude sail the whole globe in -76-78, completed one month before Naomi James (NZ) who everyone seems to think was the first, well… she was first to take all the capes at Lat 40-50 south but not the first gal around, And then we have in more present time Ellen McArthur (UK) who solitude sailed the globe aged 24. Now suppose a priest would dare telling women like those three that they cant decide for them self whether they want a child or not, they would probably tell him to take a fucking hike and go play with his little “thing” or something.

The song oh yes…well It really is subtle, I got the political stuff from the booklet the Potomac river and Tori’s known anti-Bush stand, couldn’t figure out what the hell the angels had to do with it well… now I know.

Hmm… this winter is raining away now slowly dying like everything will eventually, can’t say I like the spring getting closer…<br>
I’m off to see Brynäs play hockey this evening, but frankly I don’t think they will reach play off, It’s the fourth year in a road that they let me down, not enough aggressive in front of the opposing team goalie I’m so tired of them, Brynäs score goal more seldom than a catholic priest gets anything, Forsberg doing better in the NHL.

And continue to post Ame, I think this forum need more Europeans and you know you’re clever.

Bye!

[talulad]

More Europeans are certainly welcome! And encouraged

As well as more downunderers... And anywhere else...

[Ame]

huginn said:

By the way ever heard of a polish gal named Krystyna Chojnowska-Liskiewicz?
Now suppose a priest would dare telling women like those three that they cant decide for them self whether they want a child or not, they would probably tell him to take a fucking hike and go play with his little “thing” or something.

Well, I think that the priest wouldn't survive to tell about what these woman done to him

but even when you're incredibly strong some people can cut you of from your dreams. In this song the wings are the dreams that are only yours and make you diffrent and taking you above the mases.

and you're right about Walesa(I my memorie he's always polish flag pin and Saint Marie with the child pin on the left site of his chest). now everybody know what shoudn't have been done and not a clue about what should be done. And, well, sorry to tell you that but Gdansk is closing down(but it's closing down since last year)

[huginn]

Yes I could give you a Swedish version of the dotted line stuff,silly but what a fuck… We have a labour party here that have been in power almost uninterrupted since the thirties…<br>Well I have great respect for its grassroots and for the murdered prime minister Olof Palme who had the balls to tell the US government and the world what he thought about the Hanoi Christmas bombings in that fucking colonial war with copters firing Hundreds of shots down in the head of peasants standing unarmed in rice fields… well I don’t have any respect for the present fat ass false manipulative Swedish “labour party” premier pretending to be left when he need the votes and then taking a U turn to the right fooling those grassroots making them even more silent demanding them to be loyal… and the trade unions more and more silence and those in power and the greedy more and more corrupt and rich and the government selling out the international solidarity … well the grassroots and the trade union people they signed that dotted line and they was betrayed by those in power that’s my Swedish version.

And I’m truly sorry for that Gdansk shipyard ending its story.

As for my silly weather report snowy winter with starry nights again thank god, I hate the spring. And you’re right Ame that the snow-covered landscape is beautiful.

[Julie]

Here's Tori's description of it:
"So, um, this little song is something that after touring the country for all of last year, it seems like forever, but um (audience: and we miss you!) and i miss you back. this song kind of came to me just sort of as um a chronicaling of this time that we're in. and um, she came and tapped me on the shoulder and she's on um Tales [Of A Librarian]."
-- Tori; in-concert Tower Records Brea, Ca 12/02/03

"the line about the man that better watch his back could be about anyone in America who think they won't be involved (by the current political administration). I guess you could say that the Angels represent the missing votes during the last presidential election. People still found it difficult to understand that they were unable to undo the result. It's getting better by the day, but it's been a tough two years. I think about the war in Iraq, too, and the depressing fact that we're still in it, people warned us for this situation, but if you try and speak out in America, people say you're not supporting the country, but it's the administration you're not supporting. It's funny, because Christians talk about people being possessed, but they're attempting to possess the voice of the land. So Angels is partly about the 'lost' votes, and partly about a mass of people who could not see that they had the strength to stand up to everything that followed. And what is an Angel? according to my opinion it's someone who are able to stand above something."
-- Tori; "la musik" magazine, #6, 2003 (Swedish)

Q: Were you angry at the way the US sleepwalked into another Iraq war?
T: That's what Angels is about. The people that went along with this were not horrible, at least most of them weren't - they were just frozen, they'd forgotten that they had the power to stand up. There were protests but you didn't see how many people were out there. They made sure that was kept from the public.
-- Tori; Uncut Magazine (UK), Jan 04

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